Disabled Lives Matter


October 22, 2021

Disabled Lives Matter
Season 1, Episode 34
Co-Hosts: Nadine Vogel & Norma Stanley
Guest: Shawn Adkins & Jonathan Kendrick

Intro: [Music playing in background] Disabled Lives Matter... here we go!

Voiceover: Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the disabled lives matter podcast with co-hosts Nadine Vogel and Norma Stanley… yay!


Nadine Vogel: Hello Hello everyone, this is nadine vogel you're host of disabled lives matter, and I am joined today by my fabulous co host norma Stanley.

NORMA STANLEY: Hi guys how you guys doing today.

Nadine Vogel: Everybody is really good I am I am just so excited because Well, first of all, as all of our listeners know.

Nadine Vogel: disabled lives matter, while it is a podcast it is much more than a podcast, it is a movement, and we want everyone to join this really important movement.

Nadine Vogel: And the way we're going to do that today is by talking with two amazing guests Jonathan kendrick and shawn adkins now jonathan i'm going to start with you, I've heard you recently referred to as a mastermind so that's a little ah I don't know if it's scary or exciting. Not really sure.

Nadine Vogel: So my understanding is that you are the founder and CEO of digital technology partners and um so just tell us a little bit about what you do and um what got you into helping individuals with disabilities.

Jonathan Kendrick: Well all right, for a couple of things there alright so i'm founder and CEO of digital technology partners, we are a I-T company that specializes in the dental industry.

Jonathan Kendrick: So we do everything from computers and networking audio video phone systems basically if it's technology inside of a dental practice we we we deal with it.

Jonathan Kendrick: The our work for Eli program, which is a division inside of digital technology partners is a e-waste recycling division and what they do is.

Jonathan Kendrick: They take all of our old technology they break it down they make sure that things go to the proper recyclers refineries and.

Jonathan Kendrick: They make sure that all of the protected health care information that comes in, on these computers gets properly destructed and provides a real service we employ adults with disabilities to.

Jonathan Kendrick: To man that department and do those services and we currently have seven adults with disabilities that work for us as employees of digital technology partners.

Nadine Vogel: very, very cool so you know interesting what one thing I thought was really fascinating when I was learning about what you guys do with dental industry, I am sure that you guys are aware, there's a

Nadine Vogel: whole industry within the dental industry that's all about caring for children with disabilities, that you know, especially with.

Nadine Vogel: developmental disabilities is a lot of issues with oral health care and there's some amazing programs we've interviewed on this show on our TV show.

Nadine Vogel: I know colgate has donated a million dollars recently to Pennsylvania, to put some research together we've had some special needs dentists on our programs.

Nadine Vogel: So I just kudos to you guys to say anything to do with this to me is like so important to the fact that you're doing this work and you employ people with disabilities, I love when things come together, you know I think it's really great.

Jonathan Kendrick: So know we get we get really excited about that too, we have a great client Dr andino for dentistry for the developmentally disabled.

Jonathan Kendrick: yeah right there in Atlanta.

Jonathan Kendrick: She is great she's awesome their their program is awesome and they are, they are solely.

Jonathan Kendrick: focused to these individuals as well.

Nadine Vogel: yeah it's that it's really important so but before I talk to shawn a little bit tell me, did you just wake up one morning and say Okay, I need to do this and in doing this, I need to employ people with disabilities or how did you come to this.

Jonathan Kendrick: That is that for shawn

Nadine Vogel: Now let's start with you, Jonathan.


Jonathan Kendrick:  Okay i'm sorry.

Nadine Vogel: Since you're the mastermind behind this.

Jonathan Kendrick: I heard that my apologies, I thought that you called his. name.

Jonathan Kendrick: So we in in about 2015 I was reading a book called the evolved enterprise by Yannick silver that book has that it talks about doing something more.

Jonathan Kendrick: With your company than just turning profits doing something for the greater good doing something to help people for more fulfillment than then just making profits which we.

Jonathan Kendrick: might do to be sustainable, obviously, and in reading that book some of the examples TOMS shoes, you know buy a pair of a pair a lot of different companies have.

Jonathan Kendrick: used this methodology and we were having a business issue need at that time where we're putting in all these new computers.

Jonathan Kendrick: And in the past, doctors, without me talk the way you do with these computers and I went to say you know donate them to your church give them your employees, etc, but as compliance and security regulations got.

Jonathan Kendrick: Stricter it wasn't a good answer and it wasn't an answer that we could actually give as their trusted advisor any longer.

Jonathan Kendrick: So computers were starting to stock up in our in our office and i'm reading this book and I didn't know much about e-waste, but I knew that you can't just recycle a computer, the way it was so.

Jonathan Kendrick: We were working with on a great company in Atlanta called E-cycle, we still partner with them and jeff's been great he's helped us tremendously.

Jonathan Kendrick: And I reached out to him and he was picking up our e-waste and I started learning a little bit more about it, you have to you know separate these parts, you have to.

Jonathan Kendrick: Take parts, you have to go through this process and I, you know it just hit me that you know that is something that my son Elijah could do my son Elijah.

Jonathan Kendrick: He'll be 16 he has down syndrome, he has autism, and I was trying to think about something eventually that he can do in our company if he decides to do that.

Jonathan Kendrick: When he gets old enough.

Jonathan Kendrick: And so anyway that's how the idea came came to me.

Jonathan Kendrick: And so we solved a business need a while also you know.

Jonathan Kendrick: coming up with opportunities and it.

Jonathan Kendrick: took me a couple of years in 2018 we finally got it going so.

Nadine Vogel: that's fabulous well so 2018 seems to be an important year because Sean Sean adkins that's when you joined.

Nadine Vogel: And my understanding is is.

Nadine Vogel: That you have dual roles with work for eli, which is one of the divisions and Brett works which is, I think another division that's nonprofit so, can you talk to us about your double duty yeah.

Shawn Adkins: Um, of course, thank you for having me again, I appreciate it um, so I am the programing director for the work for eli project I started in 2018.

Shawn Adkins: And when Jonathan said, there was a lot of PCs and electronic equipment in his warehouse he wasn't kidding I had a dive in that.

Shawn Adkins: headfirst trying to learn everything I possibly could about the computer just basic knowledge of what each of the pieces mean what's their worth.

Shawn Adkins: Jeff from e-cycle was very, very helpful with that and just trying to put together a plan and kind of a attack, if you will, on what his vision was and trying to take that vision and grow with that vision itself so.

Shawn Adkins: So, as he says, we employ seven we've got seven currently right now we've got 30 on a waiting list.

Nadine Vogel: wow.

Shawn Adkins: Yes. So, and with the 30 on the waiting list right now that's where we jumped in and we thought well we've got to do something for some of these individuals who are still waiting we've had.

Shawn Adkins: Our last hire that we have we he put in his resume in 2018 and we just hired him last year.

Nadine Vogel:  Oh, my Gosh.

Shawn Adkins:  Yeah so it's based off of you know, the product coming into us as much product, we can get in.

Shawn Adkins: The more we can give hours out and and help out these individuals with with a career employment and job security whatnot but so with that said.

Shawn Adkins: We began to think about what else we could do, and I think Jonathan can talk a little bit more about this.

Shawn Adkins: More in detail with the Brett works part, so I am the executive director Brett works and basically what it is, is we're bringing individuals in.

Shawn Adkins: and training them with soft skills and hard skills so we'll train them in here will train them with you know either being interviewing skills, working with others working alone.

Shawn Adkins: Even when it comes down to hey you're done with the break room let's make sure it's clean so when we actually.

Shawn Adkins: offer these positions to other employers out there after vetting these employers, you know they have a good knowledge of what's going to happen and what's going to go on within their company so.

Nadine Vogel: that's that's fabulous that that really is it's you know it just shows the.

Nadine Vogel: It just shows how aware, you are of the needs of individuals with disabilities to be employed.

Nadine Vogel: But it also shows, your recognition of their ability like anyone else to be gainfully employed right, so I think that that that's so important, so I guess one of my questions is you know.

Nadine Vogel: Obviously, I think we could go on and on about the rewards of working with adults with disabilities and certainly want to hear some of that, but can you also give us along with that some of the challenges if any of that you've experienced and this could be for either one of you.

Shawn Adkins: Well, some of the challenges that i've experienced is is I don't like to call them challenges I just like to call the learning lessons.

Nadine Vogel:  Okay.

Shawn Adkins: Basically um because every individual is different in their own way, who I work with and so you've got to sort of rethink who you're talking to as you're talking to them.

Shawn Adkins: But once you build that trust with that individual and that's, the most important thing, building the trust with them with the parents with their caregivers.

Shawn Adkins: It all comes into fruition and it's absolutely wonderful I learned every day I learned something new from them that I didn't know even about them, or about myself of what I could do.

Shawn Adkins: You know, patience is such a big virtue when it comes to this it's a huge virtue and so that's one element in my lifestyle that i've had a truly truly look at and say okay.

Shawn Adkins: Look who you're with. Look who you're dealing with, and you know let's just treat them like anybody else and that's what I do.

Shawn Adkins: I treat them like an adult by they give them we do competitive wages for them, we I give them their appraisals, I give them reviews and.

Shawn Adkins: You know it's it's it's wonderful to see that, in their eyes, because once they get that first paycheck if there's they say I know what i'm gonna do i'm going to my mother out to.

Shawn Adkins: lunch today.

Shawn Adkins: You know, with my pay check, so they are so excited you know they feel a sense of purpose and worth that a lot of people that i've seen in other companies that work.

Shawn Adkins: I would hire these guys over some of those guys any day it's amazing the work ethic.

Shawn Adkins: Their their absorption like a sponge with the knowledge that you present them and there's times, where we get some of the jonathan's texts that come back and looking for a part and they're like no no that's that's not the name of that part.

Shawn Adkins: They get they get a little school to once in a while, so that makes me feel proud that they that they learn those those different parts of it but there's so much more than just.

Shawn Adkins: The parts with the computer stuff like that it's socializing with other individuals it's building the relationships with other individuals, the team as a whole are there such great team they're.

Shawn Adkins: they're so connect with each other it's incredible how they feed off each other and how they work off each other and they're so caring and loving towards each other it's.

Shawn Adkins: it's truly amazing to see it and I always tell people if you're ever in the vicinity, please come by and see us and view that because it's incredibly awesome just so awesome.

Nadine Vogel: So norma, how do we clone these guys.

NORMA STANLEY: yeah right.

NORMA STANLEY: I know I I had an opportunity to go to the ribbon cutting services yep not too long ago, and it was so beautiful and yeah I love the idea I love the concept of what you're trying to do particularly trying to.

NORMA STANLEY: You know, make sure that other companies can can experience the the luxury and the abilities that our family members have people with disabilities have.

NORMA STANLEY: And just really get as many of our people employed as possible, so I think it's a beautiful thing, so this is one of the reasons why I said y'all gotta be on the show.

Nadine Vogel: No absolutely I you know and it's it's disheartening in some ways, you know that there's a waiting list, but you know I found that.

Nadine Vogel: For anything that's really worthwhile anything it's really good out there for people with just in general, but people with disabilities in particular there always seems to be that waiting list.

Nadine Vogel: right here it's not immediate because there's not enough of y'all doing this around the country, and you know, Jonathan obviously like you said you know your son.

Nadine Vogel: Elijah was you know the impetus to this and, in many ways, but you know it doesn't have to be right, it could be, because someone's working now with someone side by side, who has a disability that says wow there's so much more we could be doing right.

Nadine Vogel: I just I just love this and and i'm serious we need to figure out how to clone you guys.

Nadine Vogel: yeah well so i'm gonna we're gonna go on commercial break and so you guys think about cloning, while we're on break.

Nadine Vogel: we'll be back in just a minute, and then you know I wanna I want to hear from you guys a little bit about.

Nadine Vogel: You know what do you think people should know about working side by side with someone with a disability, because they think there's a lot of fear.

Nadine Vogel: There's bias raises me people trying to be mean but just didn't ever had that experience before so you know Shawn you gave us these really great examples of how wonderful it is.

Nadine Vogel: From a company perspective and how it benefits the individual, and I do agree with you, I think everyone everyone, no matter who they are, what their disability is has a right to work.

Nadine Vogel: Right has the right to be gainfully employed have their own money for housing for social for whatever it is, so I have major issues with that.

Nadine Vogel: So when we come back from break i'd love to hear what you guys think about how do we, how do we convert this so people really start getting comfortable right so stay tuned everybody, we will be back with Shawn and Jonathan and Norma in just a minute.

Jonathan Kendrick: Thank you.

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Voiceover:  And now back to our show.

Nadine Vogel: Well welcome back everyone to the second half of today's episode of disabled lives matter more than just a podcast we are a movement.

Nadine Vogel: And we are talking today to Sean Atkins and Jonathan kendrick about digital technology partners, and specifically two Divisions that they have workfor eli and Brett works which is about employing adults with disabilities and norma take it away they're just doing such amazing things.

NORMA STANLEY: yeah you guys are doing some amazing work, and I am just really excited about what I saw at the new facility so tell us you know your perspectives about and tell other people who are listening, or when listen what it's like working with people with disabilities and they need to know.

Jonathan Kendrick: So i'll i'll start now i'm gonna lead shawn and carry on on, but that is part of so and I want to clarify a little bit so Brett works is the the nonprofit side. That we are just starting.

Nadine Vogel: Right. Right.

Jonathan Kendrick: And Brett works came along, because of our long waiting list you know 30 people waiting some for three years and it was how do we get people off this list, how do we get people moving, and how do we start you know.

Jonathan Kendrick: providing services to some of these individuals that have been waiting for so long, and so we brought the nonprofit as as a way to.

Jonathan Kendrick: raise some funds get people working and start educating employers other employers about the successes that we've had, which is exactly what you're.

Jonathan Kendrick: I think coming around to ask us norma and you know what what other employers i'm going to speak from the employer side of it and i'll let Shawn speak from.

Jonathan Kendrick: The working with the individuals themselves side or aspect of it, but what I would want other employers to know is, you know we always hear this what's the risk what's the production like gonna be like, and you know calm down. You know.

Jonathan Kendrick: Here's the thing, most of these individuals are not looking for 40 hours a week.

Jonathan Kendrick: The first of all, so that's the that's the first I don't know that I have a job, you know that I can really give someone 40 hours a week well guess what most of them don't want 40 hours a week.

Nadine Vogel:  Right.

Jonathan Kendrick: Most of ours work two to three days a week, and we, and the reason why Brett works is so so good for us right now is because we have.

Jonathan Kendrick: Three years of experience of doing this in our own company, so far, so we've learned a lot.

Jonathan Kendrick: So we as we brought on individuals, first we brought two and then we started expanding the hours and we started offering or or trying to offer more and what we found is that these individuals also have sometimes other commitments.

Jonathan Kendrick: They have to have their own you know they have to provide their own transportation to work so sometimes caregivers can't bring someone five days a week.

Nadine Vogel: Right. 

Jonathan Kendrick: But but. Those individuals still look very, very forward to coming to three days a week, for you know four or five hours a day.

Jonathan Kendrick: And it gives them that purpose of what they're looking for so that would be the first thing I would tell.

Jonathan Kendrick: An employer and part of our other part of what Brett works is going to be doing is like I said educating these employers.

Jonathan Kendrick: The other big key successes, the supportive system that you put behind them, so when employee employees come to work inside your facility and i'm gonna let.

Jonathan Kendrick: You know Shawn go on about all the benefits that you're going to get from it, because you will it's been amazing for our culture.

Jonathan Kendrick: Is it's just making sure that you're setting up a proper support structure inside that's going to allow that person to be successful at at that job and then, finally, I would say, keep an open mind.

Jonathan Kendrick: there's you have to sort of look around, I mean it's kind of like what I did on our e-waste.

Jonathan Kendrick: issue or problem, and you know I solved it with creating this division for for adults with disabilities but there's all kinds of things that can be done in the workplace.

Jonathan Kendrick: And when you really start thinking okay I don't have to solve a 40 hour problem I can solve, whatever hour problem there's a lot more opportunities that you can you can go look at, and as long as you have.

Jonathan Kendrick: The will the the the you know the desire for these people to really come in and help and then see all the benefits that we've seen there's just a ton of opportunities, all over the place, I think everyone wanted to know.

Nadine Vogel:  What I think you're saying Jonathan is that now we've talked to a lot of smaller businesses and they think oh that's for the really large companies.

Nadine Vogel: Just those are the global companies.

Nadine Vogel: That can do that, and I think what you're what you're showing clearly is that no this can be for midsize it can be for small businesses opportunities everywhere.

Nadine Vogel: And i'm just so glad to hear you talk about that because I hear that a lot only do we only have you know 15 employees 100 employees whatever we're not Coca Cola, you know another big company and it's always I scratch my head i'm like well, what does that have to do with anything.

Jonathan Kendrick: It really doesn't.

Nadine Vogel: So yeah so i'm glad that you address that because that fear factor as you know for anybody is big Shawn anything you want to add to that.

Shawn Adkins: yeah I do when he was talking about setting them up for success that's my biggest proponent of doing that.

Shawn Adkins: So every morning I send all of them an email and their caregivers and their parents, let them know what their goals are for the day.

Shawn Adkins: And they're realistic goals and sometimes we have competitions with these goals, just to have it a little bit fun.

Shawn Adkins: But I want them to know, and I want them to know that what they're going to be doing for the day so they're ready to go for that day.

Shawn Adkins: You know, and the parents know about it so they're excited to know okay so so and so's going to break down 15 PCs today, you know that's it that's their goal.

Shawn Adkins: If they don't hit their goal, then we talked about it, they say, well why didn't you hit it was there something going on, was it something wrong, you know and.

Shawn Adkins: And usually it's just like no I just had a hard time with this one PC and that's okay that's cool and then at the end of the day, i'll send off a note to all the parents saying this is what they did this is how they hit their goal.

Shawn Adkins: These are the things that we're going to work on going in the future, you know if you guys have any opinions or any sort of.

Shawn Adkins: Special thoughts that you can give me to to handle some of this please feel free to do so because i'm very open to suggestions.

Shawn Adkins: that's why I always want the parents and the caregivers always involved with me, I always make them involved with everything, because I know them.

Shawn Adkins: I try to know them, as well as they know them, but they might know a certain trick that I could use.

Shawn Adkins: To get them to work instead of me trying to figure out and get frustrated by it you know so it's.

Nadine Vogel: Got it.

Shawn Adkins: It's a blessing that we've had these individuals and like Jonathan was saying, I wish a lot more people were out there, educated by this, if you look right now there are so many job openings right now that nobody wants to go to work.

Nadine Vogel: Right.

Shawn Adkins: Look at that. Perfect example.

Shawn Adkins: These individuals can go in there and and work these jobs even being it, you know four hours two hours three hours.

Nadine Vogel: Yeah absolutely.

Shawn Adkins: love it, I mean there's times, where I got to tell my people to quit working.

Nadine Vogel:  Yeah.

Shawn Adkins: Because they just keep going and going.

Nadine Vogel: Work ethic.

Shawn Adkins: yeah. exactly.

Shawn Adkins: Oh it's so strong they come in early they leave right at their time they're supposed leave they know when so I gotta put clocks around the whole building and just so they know what time it is so they know is that time for them to go, you know we do the countdown process.

Nadine Vogel: You think about that that's like a dream employee right for any employer is the one that wants to stay to have that work ethic.

Nadine Vogel: um but then you know a lot of employers aren't connecting the dots right the way you are.

Nadine Vogel: But you know the other thing that you said shawn that just struck me as you're describing you know what you're doing I thought well at the end of the day, you may approach it a little bit differently, but it's performance management.

Nadine Vogel: I know we all do it all organizations its performance management, and you know you take it to a more granular level, you know daily, which is sometimes I think even people that don't have disabilities. could use that.

NORMA STANLEY: That's right.

Nadine Vogel: Right.  But, but something I do oh God we just have a couple minutes left, but something that you touched on that I really want to make sure we address before we before we end today, you mentioned engaging with the parents.


Nadine Vogel: So obviously these are individuals with intellectual or developmental disabilities these are not you know college graduates with disabilities things like that.

Nadine Vogel: But I have spoken and have worked with so many companies where that is actually what they fear the most.

Nadine Vogel: They say you know I don't want to have to deal with the parent, I mean i'm dealing with the employee and now i'll probably have to deal, maybe with a job coach.

Nadine Vogel: Or the parents and then, what happens if the parents want to get involved to ask questions, and you know get involved in the way i'm managing performance and I find that that's.

Nadine Vogel: that's one of those scary pile things for for a lot of folks so I just like you know, in the minute or two that we have left, could you touch on that.

Shawn Adkins: yeah i'd be more than happy to yeah.

Shawn Adkins: You know, for those individuals those naysayers out there, think they got to deal with them it's it's it's the best book that you can actually read is through them.

Shawn Adkins: It really is, I mean there's management books out there there's all kinds of books that you can read about managing about performance about skills about training about all that kind of stuff.

Shawn Adkins: But to get to know the person and to get to know them well you get to know them you get to know the parents and get the caregivers.

Shawn Adkins: it's not a big deal to talk with the parents and i'll be honest, I love talking with them, because they need to know i've had some individuals who come in for interviews are nervous because they're like well I don't want my my kid to be.

Shawn Adkins: You know, taken advantage of or you know stuff like that so i've got to say insurance i'm always talking to you guys, you know exactly what's going on, I incorporate them into all the parties in conference calls in everyting.

Shawn Adkins: they're still they're actually the parents and the caregivers are my secondary team.

Nadine Vogel: [Laughter.]

Shawn Adkins: You know without them, I wouldn't be successful with who they gave me to work with, which is also.

NORMA STANLEY: In this successful engagement and it's part of our culture, we have to be a part of what our children are doing.

NORMA STANLEY: Exactly I mean that's just the way we are as parents of children.

NORMA STANLEY: Just like that so.

Nadine Vogel: Then, and you know what I you know.

Nadine Vogel: And i'm even my older daughter, you know she's a college graduate but she has significant disabilities will have lifelong disabilities.

Nadine Vogel: And because of that, I have the same concerns right, even though she's independent lives independently, some of the same concerns that norma that you have to Sierra.

Nadine Vogel: Right even could Sierra can't communicate, I still have for for my daughter, and so I you know I can tell you both that you know you're talking with two special needs parents have adult daughters and you are just singing our song.

Jonathan Kendrick: It's a very collaborative.

Jonathan Kendrick: Environment right so and and we have so much to learn, you know and in to because we have seven every individual is so different.

Jonathan Kendrick: Why why start from the very beginning of trying to learn what we were doing and also learn that that that person may learn so much from their families.

Nadine Vogel: So just imagine is would be really controversial.

Nadine Vogel: But just imagine if we did that, for all employees that maybe we engaged with the parent.

Nadine Vogel: Or engaged with this spouse, you know when I was in corporate i'll tell you, you know 100 years ago when I interviewed someone, especially if it involves like a relocation, or something that was going to be major life impacting.

Nadine Vogel: I always interviewed spouse as well, and it was really not so much for me to ask them questions, but for them to ask me questions.

Nadine Vogel: Especially if they were going to be relocating and if they were a military spouse things where that job was going to impact them as well.

Nadine Vogel: I was not exactly the most popular girl in the world, and you know when I did that but.

Nadine Vogel: You know just hearing what you guys do it Shawn specifically how you engage with the families it's just takes me back to that and things.

Nadine Vogel: You know Johnny what you just said it's helpful because you know more about this individual is so, you know again i'm not even sure if that would be legal today to do but i'm.

Nadine Vogel: Putting it out there, because I do think it works.

Nadine Vogel: yeah so oh my gosh I cannot believe a half hour has just flown we are out of time, I feel like I could talk to you guys for like another few hours um norma Thank you so much.

NORMA STANLEY: i'm excited i'm so thankful that they were available.

NORMA STANLEY: To be a part of this.

Nadine Vogel: Well, I know that our listeners are going to just love hearing about this.

Nadine Vogel: Now, if they are a small business owner and they're thinking, I wanted to what you guys are doing, who should they contact and how.

Jonathan Kendrick: I would say, go to workforeli.com and put in a request.

Jonathan Kendrick: We have two different forms, we have one for pickups and we also have one for applications.

Jonathan Kendrick: You can you can email me at Jonathan@DTpartners.COM, you can email Shawn.Adkins@dtpartners.COM email us both we'd love to talk to any business owner honestly and help in any way we can.

Nadine Vogel: Well that's that's great, and I would like to say, and if we have someone to disability looking for a job, but that's going to give you more of a waiting list.

Nadine Vogel: But you just did just give me a forum, so if there is someone out there and they're in the area, again, maybe they can apply, you may have to create another organization.

NORMA STANLEY: And there may be some companies that.

NORMA STANLEY: would want to. just get some.

NORMA STANLEY: Helpful advice from you.

Nadine Vogel: Exactly, that's what I'm thinking.  You know, might be like hey we would love to do this, but we've been struggling with how wouldn't that be amazing.

Nadine Vogel: So with that I just want to say thank you so much Shawn and Jonathan, we wish you and all of your employees the very, very best.

Nadine Vogel: And for our listeners, we hope you enjoyed today's show, and we want to thank you and we will see you on another episode of disabled lives matter more than a podcast it's a movement right norma.

NORMA STANLEY: absolutely. my best to everyone.

Nadine Vogel: All right, bye guys.

Shawn Adkins: Thank you. 

Jonathan Kendrick: Bye.

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