Disabled Lives Matter


March 25, 2021

Disabled Lives Matter

Season 1, Episode 4

Co-Hosts: Nadine Vogel & Norma Stanley

Guest: Terry Moorer


Intro: [Music playing in background] Disabled Lives Matter… here we go!

Voiceover: Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of the disabled lives matter podcast with co-hosts Nadine Vogel and Norma Stanley... yay! 


Nadine Vogel: Hello I’m Nadine Vogel your host of the disabled lives matter podcast I am joined today, as always, by my fabulous co-host Norma Stanley, Norma says hey to everybody.


Norma Stanley: Hey everyone how you doing?


Nadine Vogel: And today, we are joined by such a fabulous guest I’m so excited I’m like a kid in a candy shop, so this is Terry Moore he is known as the hottest disabled speaker, so we want to get to that title. He is an award-winning author publicist speaker consultant, in both the entertainment and the sports industry and he just happens to have a disability, so you know I don't even know what else to say and we just got started right this so Terry welcome to the show.


Terry Moorer: Thank you, thank you for having me on appreciate it, thank you, Hey Norma.


Norma Stanley: Hi how are you. Yeah, terry and I have known each other a little bit and I just love this guy I think he's so talented and he's been a blessing to me, and in my music career, so I wanted to share him with a few other people.


Nadine Vogel: That sounds great, so Terry just tells us a little bit about the very varied and accomplished background that you've had.


Terry Moorer: Oh, OK so I’m going back several years I’m 56 of it, I actually started my music career in 1986. And I was very fortunate I started working for a couple of recording studios, well actually one recording studio for free from 12 noon in the afternoon to 12 at night every Sunday for about a year it allowed me to really work with some fantastic people like Yoko Ono and boy is and David Belafonte who's Harry Belafonte’s son, then I moved on from the recording to work for billboard magazine, which was fantastic I was a gentleman that when you open up billboard magazine, and you saw the number one single chart to the number one album I would be the guy calling the radio stations in a record stores for the top playlist and a top record sales and putting that in the computer and that's how you came up with the top hits every week and after losing billboard, went to work for a record label out of Brooklyn New York called first priority music and that opened up the door for me to work with everybody from Will Smith to Queen Latifah and that was just such a blessed thing and did that for about eight years before working with a Kenny Smith from the Houston market and then I also worked for a clothing company for major damage which was run by a gentleman two gentlemen Heavy and Izzy. Heavy and Izzy started a hip hop line for major damage, but and the claim to fame was they actually started the jean company Sergio Balenté so do volunteer so worked with them and me and a good friend of mine named Jean Peterson, we were in charge of what was then called product placement putting clothes on every audit of celebrity that we could find and that's it in a nutshell.


Nadine Vogel: Holy Shmoly, that is quite the career and I have a feeling you're still just getting started so I expect to see a lot more wow, you know something that I read, obviously I know that you were born with cerebral palsy but I read somewhere that you've liked you tell people that you're, the most important person in your life right, yourself, can you tell us a little bit about what you mean by that because I thought that was pretty important.


Terry Moorer: Thank you, thank you, you know I, I believe that we have to be our own cheerleader, we have to be the one to motivate ourselves each day and we do have to treat you know. We oftentimes give everybody everything except for giving it to ourselves, you know we're doing it for the family member or a friend calling us, hey I need a favor can you do this, but we don't return that to ourselves. And you have to treat yourself if you're, the most important person in the world, because if you don't believe that your important then nobody will believe it either.


Norma Stanley: So True.


Nadine Vogel: Oh, my gosh no Norma you and I have had those conversations.


Norma: Yes, right. And it's definitely true for parents, like us, because we are the most important people to our children because they depend on us so much because of you know, some of the challenges that they face in life, I know my daughter is totally dependent on me. And so, I’ve got to be here and so I’ve got to make sure I take care of myself and so that I can be here for her.


Nadine Vogel: Absolutely and Terry, you're gonna you're gonna laugh because I like, I listened to every word, you said you know and it whether it's in a book it's other places, and so another statement i've heard you make is that success lies within the heart. That was that hit my heart actually as Norma was saying, as a special needs mom you know that was that was really important to me. Looking at my own children success, separate from mine but even just their success in life so talk to us a little bit about that because I had a lot of meaning for me.


Terry Moorer: When you know when I first decided to get into the music industry, I had just lost my real, first I moved recently from New York, I live in Atlanta now.


Nadine Vogel: Oh, I'm from New York, woo-hoo!


Norma Stanley: Me too.


Nadine Vogel: The Bronx baby, I'm like J-lo.


Norma Stanley: We're cool New Yorkers, okay.


Nadine Vogel: See, so success not only lives within the heart it lies within New York.


Terry Moorer: Absolutely, absolutely and you know New York really made me who I am because of the toughness and being resilient so yeah absolutely so you know when I when I decided to get into the music industry. I was at a crossroad in my life because I didn't really know what I wanted to do, and I got fired from my first corporate job in Manhattan and I was home one day watching prince performance at the American music awards and I remember thinking to myself wow he looks like he's having a lot of fun and he's getting paid to do it. that's what I want to do, something where I can have a lot of fun and get paid to do it all I want is to be in the music industry. And because of my passion in my life, it was just something that I just believe that I could do, even when people say oh you disabled there's nobody disabled in the music industry. And me and a gentleman by the name of Kline he was on the west coast and I was on the east coast. We literally, were the only two disabled people working in the music industry and you know my concept beyond with a third person that I know of so literally thousands of people was only three people that would really doing something in the music industry.


Nadine Vogel: Wow, so how do you think the music industry has changed or has it changed relative to people with disabilities and opening doors and being inclusive.


Terry Moorer: You know a lot of companies are still struggling with that um Netflix just made a commitment to invest 100 million dollars literally they just announced it about two or three days ago 100 million dollars into diversity for the disabled community as well as the LGBT community, because they realize that they're lacking in diversity, if you watched a lot of movies, and a lot of TV show that very seldom how a person of disability that's represented in the Shell and so even in the music side there's not really I mean first person to come to mind, Steve Wonder, that you know Mathematica but their blind and they all play an instrument right, but no one on the side of a disability that works behind the scenes, that I know of.


Nadine Vogel: So how do we change that.


Terry Moorer: Yeah, you know, we really have to get to be more media talking about it and companies like Netflix by them, investing in $100 million into the Community that's also going to put the spotlight on another company to say well why aren't you doing Hulu, how can you not doing with Netflix is doing and HBO Max I figured you'd do what Netflix is doing. So, it's got to be done when we're with people say Okay, we gotta step up the game and what's so strange about it is the disability community of the Community there's always growing I tell people all the time, you know you're born black. Your born white, you're born a woman you're born a male, that Community pretty much stays the same once you become you know born black male, you're gonna say a black male with a disability community that black male can be disabled in a car accident, you know. It's growing every day.


Nadine Vogel: Right, it's a private club anyone can join.


Terry Moorer: There you go absolutely there you go absolutely well said.


Nadine Vogel: So, you know Norma and I have been having conversations Terry about this intersectionality of race and disability. And Norma I think that that was something you really wanted to you know, have a conversation about today was you know really about how you navigate your career and navigate life as a black man with a disability. Norma, I don't know if you wanted to that comment on that.


Norma Stanley: Yeah, that's fine look I really just want to know what kind of experiences that have you had that you know you that you know that you encountered maybe that Someone assume something about you, whether they realized, you had a disability or not like a police officer or anyone. And really treated you in a disrespectful manner or did you have you had any of those types of experiences and what can we do about what seems to be a growing phenomenon in this area, where you know people with disabilities are being a special people of color are really being victimized in many ways that you know society doesn't seem to understand it's almost focused, it seems on people with disabilities.


Terry Moorer: I'll tell you from my experience on, on the law enforcement side thankfully I’m never had that that disrespect mainly because even though I’m a black male I’m a non-threatening black male. And so, when a law enforcement officer looks at me nothing all one flash off the BAT or anything like that I don't come across as threatening because of my disability I really come across more as a victim that may you know the what's the word on the misconception, is that Oh, we need help. Really, we don't need help like that, and so you know, the thing about it is when I walk into a room as a disabled black man, I feel, like, I have one of the best kept secrets. Because if I wanted to people are sort of looking at me and trying to figure out Oh, you know poor Terry and oh Look how he walks I sort of feel like they have no idea that I’ve met Janet Jackson and Madonna they have no idea Queen Latifa.


Nadine Vogel: Right.


Terry Moorer: I feel like I had that, and the table actually change a turn I should say if I’m in a conversation with someone and soon as I start saying. Oh well, I’ve done this, and I’ve done that you can just see the light bulb go off and all of a sudden, now they want to know more and I’m like oh really okay tell us more but, at the beginning, the conversation I’m just to disable guy and folly had a very lackluster life.


Norma Stanley: Right and that's an assumption that we have to change that just because you have a disability, no matter what it is that you are not living your best life and that you don't have the capability to do more and Be more than people want to allow you to do.


Terry Moorer: Absolutely, absolutely yeah.


Nadine Vogel: yeah, you know because you know look, we named these disabled lives matter right it's not just a podcast it's a movement. And something we want to put forward, but I, and I say this, all the time that hearing what you just said, makes me sad, in some ways, because it's almost like If you were quote unquote just disabled and you didn't have this amazing background your life doesn't matter as much, but now that I find out wow. And you've been out there you've been doing wow now your important baby.


Norma Stanley: Now you matter.


Nadine Vogel: Right now, you matter and that's a disconnect for me that's just that is really bothering me.


Norma Stanley: You know that society seems you know the populism, you know if you don't have a quote unquote name if you don't hang out with the influencers if you don’t, you're not you don't matter and that's something that concerns me to what we seem to be like you know what social media has caused us.


Nadine Vogel: to become right, right I think it's I think to your point Norma, it is a societal issue, but then you add disability and takes it to a whole nother place yeah, I mean that's just upsetting, even Terry hearing what you said you know, so you are non-threatening to say you know black man to the police well black men shouldn't be threatening to begin with Right and.


Terry Moorer: Absolutely, exactly.


Nadine Vogel: Right, you shouldn't be seen as a victim. Great you have a disability or for any other reasons, so whether its ability if skin color I didn't I don't care what it is, I just as you can tell this makes me just nutty, I get crazy over stuff like this And, and I, and I shouldn't even use those words because it does not appropriate words relative to mental health issues. You know, for me, I get really upset I it just it bothers me at my core when I hear things like this because disabled lives do matter and, on that note, we're going to go to a short commercial break and we're going to come back with some more questions for you, Terry so stay tuned.


Nadine Vogel: As the founder and CEO of Springboard Global Enterprises I wanted to share a little more about one of my companies, Springboard Consulting. Springboard Consulting is a company recognized as an expert in mainstreaming disability in the global workforce, workplace and marketplace. As the mom of two beautiful women who are born with special needs, I understand firsthand the issues the individuals with disabilities and their families face as candidates, employees, and customers. It is my hope that springboard consulting will become a seamless partner with every company, organization, and government agency around the world so that everyone with a disability including your families and friends will feel welcome and wanted with every purchase they make, trip they take, job they get, and everyone they meet. Harnessing the power of difference and specifically for individuals with disabilities who impact the bottom line, I see our work as not just providing a strategic advantage I see it is a business imperative. Allow Springboard Consulting to join you on your company’s disability journey visit: www.consultspringboard.com to learn more.


Voiceover: And now, back to our show.


Nadine Vogel: Hi I’m a Nadine Vogel and I’d like to welcome you back to this episode of disabled lives matter with my co-host Norma Stanley. Today we are talking with Terry Moore and oh my gosh this conversation we are getting some good stuff I gotta tell you, but if you think you've heard some really good stuff so far Norma take it away because I think people are going to be blown away by this.


Norma Stanley: Well, you know, one of the things I love about Terry is that he is an adventurer, and you know nothing seems to stop him I love that about him and me recently, he recently took a skydiving trip which terrifies me, I wanted to know how he felt about that, and why he felt he needed to do it.


Nadine Vogel: Oh, my gosh.


Terry Moorer: I don't know where it came from, to be honest with you, I can remember from 56 now, but I can remember, being in my 20s and always wanting to skydive and I’m afraid of heights. So I've always wanted to do it and the year that I actually did it one of my business partners David Lee and a good friend of mine Vaughn manager, but we all decided we're going to do a skydiving day and we went on Facebook and we said hey everybody we're going to do skydiving on such and such day and above so people said hey I’m in and, but when the day actually came, only three or four people showed up you know out of 30 people everybody chickened out, and I was actually dating a young lady at the time, and she was going to skydive with me and, of course, at the last minute, she chickened out. So, I said you know okay, I’m not going to do it this time I'll wait another time you know, but because I had paid my money up front the sky diving place said I owe you can't get a refund. I said well I’m here, I might as well just go ahead and do it, and it was probably the scariest phenomenal awesome thing that I’ve ever done just amazing and I’m looking forward to doing it one more time.


Nadine Vogel: Wow, I’m scared just listening about so my husband was an officer in the army, and he jumped out of planes. And the funny thing when you said you're scared of heights Terry so if my husbands in a plane and we start having you know turbulence he, like grabs on his knuckles get all white. Like you, he can get on a plane and jump out with a parachute and the only thing he's said to me is that the reason that's okay is because he has a parachute. Whereas when we're just sitting in a plane he doesn't. My thing is you have to get the parachute open.


Terry Moorer: Exactly. yeah, yeah absolutely.


Nadine Vogel: I think this speaks to a bigger issue of getting outside your comfort zone.


Norma Stanley: Absolutely. That’s so true and that's what music and starting to sing has done to me cause I always love to sing but I was terrified of the thought, which is one of the reasons why I became a journalist first before even considering the singing thing it terrified me, but then, when I got you know 50 I was like you know what Why not go for it and see what you can do it's the gift that God gave you don't wait until he takes it away. So, it takes me out of my comfort zone, every time I have to get on the stage but Afterwards, I’m it feels exhilarating that I did that you know, so I could understand and I’m looking for other opportunities to get outside of my comfort zone, because it makes you feel so much better about yourself.


Nadine Vogel: Yeah, and as long as you don't have a nervous breakdown in the process.


Norma Stanley: Exactly, but it's all about growth.


Nadine Vogel: Yeah, absolutely so Terry you know you mentioned, having worked with Queen Latifa and P Diddy and LL Cool J oh my gosh I just get excited just thinking about it. Tell us what your most significant memory is especially because it sounds like when you were working with them, it was really at the beginning of their careers, so you were all launching your careers together, so what is some memories from that.


Terry Moorer: I would probably say the two memories that come to mind off hand, one with MC lyte and we will say after Cisco for the event, and we are actually. We were added a villa in San Francisco for Willie brown with the mirror at the time, and if you know Willie brown history, he also dated Kamala Harris Back in the day, so Willie brown back in 1988 89 had a some type of 10 year anniversary that me and MC Lyte and a couple people went a manager that was in the band at the time And we have some downtime and we actually went to the movies together and when went to go see, Madonna had a documentary out at the time, and I remember this movie was like three hours long. The other one that comes to mind, I was in Virginia on tour one of my groups and the company that directly worked with, first priority music, was also a management company gentleman by the name of Robinson management used to manage the artist that was on the label. And one particular show in Virginia, I was backstage, and I said Oh, let me go to the dressing room and hang out for a while, while the group is on stage and when I went back to the dressing room Latifa was in the dressing room. I remember the manager at the time saying welcome Latifa to the family we're going to manage her. I gave a big hug, welcome to the family and you know high five she's like five seven like a grandmother, you know hugging you and everything so. You know she actually wanted to go in with her best friend from high school shot Kim who still works with her today but.


Nadine Vogel: Wow.


Terry Moorer: But that was a very fond memory of you know we were about to manage Queen Latifa at one point.


Norma Stanley: Tell us about those gold records and silver records you have lined up, you actually won your own award working with these celebrities.


Terry Moorer: Yeah, one of the tops is actually a when MC Late was with Sinead O’Connor. Okay, and then the bottom one is I worked on the self-destruction record which was sort of like an all-star with MC lyte and Caillat one and a bunch of other artists and that won gold and then I actually have two more of got one in the living room that the more money soundtrack from Damon Wayne.


Norma Stanley: Love that soundtrack.


Terry Moorer: Huh?


Norma Stanley: I love that soundtrack.


Terry Moorer: Oh yeah that sounds excellent and my actually have a fourth one for more money, but my son who's 23 years old he's also in music he's got that hanging on his wall, snatched one of my records, we actually have two more that I’m working on getting one Mary J Blige real love.


Nadine Vogel: Wow.


Terry Moorer: MC Lyte roughneck.


Norma Stanley: Yeah, both of them great songs.


Nadine Vogel: I know I know so Terry do you feel like it even way back then, and they just say in the day, or even now, you know how you are if you were treated differently You know by these by these entertainers or by folks in the business and, if so, how were you treated differently to your non-disabled peers.


Terry Moorer: You know, actually, it was a very it was a blessing because everyone from Shawn Combs to Queen Latifa to just trying to think of names, to MC Lyte never treated me differently if they've never bought up on you disabled you can't do that, it was always. So, what's wrong with you why can't you get up and do it yourself, so you know it's always a lot of love from everybody from Busta Rhymes to you know I met Janet Jackson twice, met Madonna twice as likely one time and just never treated any different never felt any awkwardness towards them, it was always love always to love.


Norma Stanley: You're blessed.


Nadine Vogel: Yeah, absolutely so we have about five six minutes left and I’m wondering Norma if you don't mind, I’d love to change gears just a little bit. So, Terry you know my company Springboard we work with corporations all around the world to mainstream people with disabilities and I know that you have done and continue to do some of that work and consult and I’m just wondering, you know. What changes you feel you haven't seen happen fast enough what changes you think still need to happen in corporate because um you know we do this, day in and day out and I’d like to hear what your thoughts are.


Terry Moorer: Well, I think corporate you know, you know, I wear a lot of different hats music consultant I’ve done, you know legal shield for a while I’m also involved in disability advocate, as well as public speaker I’ve done toastmasters for you to actually spoken with the Atlanta hawks and Coca Cola, and one of the things that I noticed with corporations is they need to have more sensitivity training.


Nadine Vogel: Yes.


Terry Moorer: It's really awkward when you have employees that do not know how to address a person of disability a Coworker that say. For example, when I worked at Coca Cola for about eight years, one of my coworkers was a guy by the name of Thomas black who was actually disabled. No, no, I should say, basically blind now Thomas used to work he used to cook his own food he used to get dressed like blind faith in the kitchen everything for me and we can laugh and joke about that, but a lot of time when you enter the workplace with somebody that's disabled you really don't know the right thing is the state of all things. And, to be more of what's the etiquette disability etiquette in the corporate workplace.


Nadine Vogel: Now, and I’m glad you brought that up, because actually disability advocate and awareness is one of the many trainings that we do at springboard. And it's actually the number one global best practice and most often the first practice, and I think that's important because you know, we need to give people the tools if they haven't experienced disability, for some reason personally or professionally they may not know how to engage. Right, work side by side, do so that they're comfortable they make the other person comfortable but what's really interesting is in Europe, in particular, they like to talk about disability confidence and my feeling is you can't be confident if you're not competent. And that's exactly what you're saying and that's I think in any topic right so for folks that are youngsters today just coming out of college have disabilities, want to go into the music industry, in particular, or could be any what advice do you have for them.


Terry Moorer: I would say, learn as much as you can, I actually have a website called learning music business .com, where I teach artists about learning the business. Because it is a business learn as much as you can and be able to be diverse where you know, like right now I’m not too sure if you can see it, but actually have a keyboard in my background here. And because I’ve been teaching myself for the last two years how to play piano, not because I want to you know be a musician on stage or anything but if you know just learn, you know something I’ve always wanting to learn, and if you're in a studio with let's say Bruno Mars and you're an engineer in a studio. And all of a sudden, the keyboard player doesn't show up because he's running late Bruno Mars can look at you and say hey, don't you play the keyboard also and you could say yeah absolutely so you're becoming more valuable, so learn the business learn different instruments and learn how to do a little bit of everything, that's important.


Nadine Vogel: Yes, you know that's important Well, first let me just say I do play the piano I minded and Kenyon college, so if you're in that room with Bruno Mars, and you just give me 1-800 Nadine all right just give me a call. I need to join, but I think it's important What you said is you know to kind of learn a little bit of everything, I find that today the students coming out of college they have a major and they get very narrowly focused and they do one thing really well or understand it really well but they don't have the breath right, of grievances and I think that's what you're speaking to now do you think in any way in the minute, or so we have left that it's different or if someone has a disability or something that they have to do differently or more of if they have a disability in that same vein.


Terry Moorer: Well, no, I mean you know, I believe, no matter what you want to do, you just have to plan it. Wether you are able body or disabled you just have to have a plan and a goal and just say Okay, this is what I’m going to do and make it happen so yeah just plan and organize it.


Nadine Vogel: Plan and organize it I love it.


Norma Stanley: Nadine, I just found something else you have in common, we both minored in music in college.


Nadine Vogel: Now, the more you talk, the more you find out right. Now, I think this is this is amazing and Terry I just want to thank you so much for joining us today and being willing to share your story and how you have navigated life and career and have done so in such a such a comprehensive and successful way, I am going to go back to how we started, about what you say about how success lies within the heart and that you are the most important person in your life, I think that if we truly want to ensure that people understand that to disabled lives matter. Then people with disabilities have to take what you just said to heart and realize that they are the most important person in their own life.


Terry Moore: Absolutely, Absolutely.


Nadine Vogel: Oh my gosh, well Thank you so much, I hope to have you back on another episode we'll ask really nicely, and I wish you a wonderful rest of your week Terry.


Norma Stanley: Thanks Terry.


Terry Moorer: Thank you.


Nadine Vogel: See everybody on the next episode of.


Nadine Vogel: Disabled lives matters podcast with Nadine Vogel, me, and my partner Norma Stanley.


Norma Stanley: Be blessed.


Nadine Vogel: Bye everybody.

Closing comment: [Music playing in background.] Thank you for listening to this week's episode of disabled lives matter. We look forward to seeing you next Thursday.  Have a great week!

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